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and on election day, voters in three states approved same-sex marriage. "outfront," mckay coppins, tim carney and maria cardona, cnn contributor and democratic strategist. this is kind of big news in all of this. tim, you saw the polls. now the supreme court will get involved in this. should this signal something to the republican party? should they say it's reached this level? >> polls are one thing. there's also the fact most states don't have gay marriage yet and most of those that do, it was not put in by the will of the people. i'm a marylander. our state did vote for gay marriage. most of them had to do with judges ruling. if the supreme court does for gay marriage what it did for abortion and roe v. wade and said, no, this is not in the hands of the people. we're going to say there's gay marriage, that would do a thrott fire up the republican base and could turn this issue on its head and become a big winner for republicans because they'd feel disenfranchised. >> what about the flip side? what if the republican goes that way, their base doesn't get
and on election day, voters in three states approved same-sex marriage. "outfront," mckay coppins, tim carney and maria cardona, cnn contributor and democratic strategist. this is kind of big news in all of this. tim, you saw the polls. now the supreme court will get involved in this. should this signal something to the republican party? should they say it's reached this level? >> polls are one thing. there's also the fact most states don't have gay marriage yet and most of...
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we go through a whole election, republican war on women. they don't want to pay for women's birth control. we know what life for women is like. in saudi arabia they can't drive. under the taliban they couldn't go to school or work. we see the stoning of women, women in saudi arabia, they need four male eyewitnesses for rape. all of this. where is the women's movement in this country now? where is obama, the chomp of women's rights -- the champon of women's rights? >> the obama administration and the left in the country believe so much that the muslim brotherhood is a very moderate movement, and the leader morsi is a very moderate statesman. this is why they do not believe that implementing the law will oppress women in egypt. it's like burying their heads in the sand, refusing to accept reality, and admit that everything that they believed about the muslim brotherhood and morsi is a lie. for them to admit that, it will force them to come up with different solutions to what we're facing in egypt, and they're not ready to face it. >> and we'r
we go through a whole election, republican war on women. they don't want to pay for women's birth control. we know what life for women is like. in saudi arabia they can't drive. under the taliban they couldn't go to school or work. we see the stoning of women, women in saudi arabia, they need four male eyewitnesses for rape. all of this. where is the women's movement in this country now? where is obama, the chomp of women's rights -- the champon of women's rights? >> the obama...
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thought would have seen them during election cycle. he thinks this will wake them from their slumber. >> i think it will be way bigger and i won't be just the tea party, it will be everybody in the country. if we go off the fiscal cliff, guess who is disproportionately affected. the low-income people. the low-income couples, their tax will go up 9,000%. these are people who voted for obama who will get whacked. martha: who will they blame? i want to show you a poll that was on "hot air" this morning, then we'll get to bob. it says which approach do you prefer. to reduce the deficit. this poll is 800 people who voted for president obama. they are split in the middle. 41% say mostly tax increases with some spending cuts. but the same number want mostly spending cuts with some tax increases. 5% of these obama voter say they want tax increases only. but 10% of the people who voted for obama in this policy they want spending cuts only. bob, where are we here? >> it looks a little confusing except when you look at history of polling. norquis
thought would have seen them during election cycle. he thinks this will wake them from their slumber. >> i think it will be way bigger and i won't be just the tea party, it will be everybody in the country. if we go off the fiscal cliff, guess who is disproportionately affected. the low-income people. the low-income couples, their tax will go up 9,000%. these are people who voted for obama who will get whacked. martha: who will they blame? i want to show you a poll that was on "hot...
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i was trying to read your thinking here and post election analysis. i think it's so interesting. if you get people angry about the way things are economic alley you think they'll blame the incumbent but it seems like a lot of people said, yeah, things aren't that great, especially poor working people, bush. >> governor romney thought this would be a referendum of barack obama. case closed. when you take a look at group of voters who said the economy was not so good, so you would think that would be an opportunity for governor romney, actually the president carried them by 13 points.ç 55-42. obviously, the economic argument on the refer side was not made. it was just a referendum. it was just a contradiction to what the president was saying instead of -- >> i want to ask you quickly on this. i thought when obama went in the first debates, i went nuts, i thought the president dropped the ball but romney was strong in the first debate because he kept saying, i'm a business guy, i can create jobs. business equals jobs. the one strong punch he had, he kept at it. then after he got o
i was trying to read your thinking here and post election analysis. i think it's so interesting. if you get people angry about the way things are economic alley you think they'll blame the incumbent but it seems like a lot of people said, yeah, things aren't that great, especially poor working people, bush. >> governor romney thought this would be a referendum of barack obama. case closed. when you take a look at group of voters who said the economy was not so good, so you would think...
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and using the word revenge after the election. this is the left this, is how they thing. van jones quoted as saying talking about overthrowing the free market system in america and broadly in the west. he said, and i quote we're going to change the whole system. we need a new system. what do you think he means by that? >> let me show another cut from the same speech. >> the president puts forward help for veterans. the republican party votes against help for veterans. we don't care how much these kids suffer overseas. when they come home, let them suffer. we'll vote against them. let the bodies pile up on the beach. and you will face with the prospect of that kind of treachery. treason prevailing in america. >> treason and let the bodies pile up on the beach, all lies with this propaganda of the left continues. >> you have to give to it van jones because at least he's honest. and i would say normal americans who left their country. he's being honest. and most leftists won't be that honest. they think that way but won't be that honest. look. this is how the left thinks thc
and using the word revenge after the election. this is the left this, is how they thing. van jones quoted as saying talking about overthrowing the free market system in america and broadly in the west. he said, and i quote we're going to change the whole system. we need a new system. what do you think he means by that? >> let me show another cut from the same speech. >> the president puts forward help for veterans. the republican party votes against help for veterans. we don't care...
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a few days before the election he said vote for, quote, revenge. one of his top white house advisors, valerie jarrett, also used the word revenge after the election. this is the left. this is how they think. van jones was quoted as saying, and this is a self avowed communist, by the way, sean, talking about overthrowing the free market system in america and more broadly i in the west, and he said, and i quote. we're going to change the whole system. we need a new system. >> let me show another cut from the same speech where he refers to conservatives and republicans as treasonnists. >> the republican party votes against help for veterans. let the bodies fil pile up on te beach. we don't care how much they suffered. they'll vote against this president. let the bodies pile up on the beach. you were faced with the prospect of that kind of treachery and we beat them. >> let the bodies pile up on the beach. all lies, but this propaganda of the left continues. why? >> you have to give it to van jones because at least he's honest. at least he is giving vo
a few days before the election he said vote for, quote, revenge. one of his top white house advisors, valerie jarrett, also used the word revenge after the election. this is the left. this is how they think. van jones was quoted as saying, and this is a self avowed communist, by the way, sean, talking about overthrowing the free market system in america and more broadly i in the west, and he said, and i quote. we're going to change the whole system. we need a new system. >> let me show...
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. >> how much of this has been affected by the fact that for the first time in this last election you have people going to the polls and actually voting to allow same-sex marriage as opposed to it coming from judges or legislators? >> i don't think justices sort of said the polls did "x" so i will do "y." in 1986, louis powell, the swing justice of his day, they had the first real gay rights case, and he said to his law clerk, you know, as they were sort of weighing the case, you know, i've never met a gay person. i've never met a homosexual. what is that like? now, he didn't know that law clerk himself was homosexual, but that was what the world was like in 1986, that a worldly, intelligent man could have thought that he'd never met someone who was gay. now, even the conservatives on the court couldn't possibly express a sentiment like that. and that's just reflected in how the court acts. >> what do you think -- are is there any way to read the tea leaves on this? >> based on my experience in the health care case, i am going to not do a lot of predictions because, you know, wrong is
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it will not be a 57/30 election. >> it always tightens. i'm curious about the other side since you're talking about 2008. marco rubio and paul ryan both spoke at this dinner and they were -- these were speeches where they're trying to define themselves as who they are. both probably going to run in 2016. how would a rubio/ryan stack up against a hillary clinton? in a sense it sort of feels like 2008 reversed, right, except for experience would come on the democratic side with hillary and the youth and this sort of idealism might perhaps come from a rubio or ryan on the republican side? >> well, if i look at that poll you were referring to, hillary clinton is the overwhelming favorite among young people, especially young women. young people and young women, clearly they're going to help determine future elections. look, i think paul ryan and marco rubio, are trying to rebrand themselves and recast the republican party as a party of diversity and, perhaps, big ideas and a larger goalpost. i want to also say this because i have to say this as
it will not be a 57/30 election. >> it always tightens. i'm curious about the other side since you're talking about 2008. marco rubio and paul ryan both spoke at this dinner and they were -- these were speeches where they're trying to define themselves as who they are. both probably going to run in 2016. how would a rubio/ryan stack up against a hillary clinton? in a sense it sort of feels like 2008 reversed, right, except for experience would come on the democratic side with hillary and...
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we have not seen him since the election. we have spoken about them, scene of you rumors about in. the new republican party. in answer, kinder party? we will find out. he will be on the job. have a good night. ♪ melissa: i'm melissa francis. here's what's "money" tonight. the aarp lashing out against proposed medicare reform but it may be trying to save its own skin. generati for america president chuck woolery, yes, that chuck woolery of game show lore, is here to explain why. >>> a group of democratic heavyweights one up the president's fiscal cliff plan. forget hitting the rich. alcohol, cigarettes online gambling nothing is safe. will the payoff be worth of the pain? we'll debate it. >>> are the salvation army bell ringer jobs only for sexy ladies. one man claims he was fired make way for beautiful women. is it unfair or good business? even when they say it's not it is always about "money." melissa: all right. first let's take a look at the day's market headlines. you would think the markets would stop getting faked out by the fiscal cliff optimism, would you? but apparently
we have not seen him since the election. we have spoken about them, scene of you rumors about in. the new republican party. in answer, kinder party? we will find out. he will be on the job. have a good night. ♪ melissa: i'm melissa francis. here's what's "money" tonight. the aarp lashing out against proposed medicare reform but it may be trying to save its own skin. generati for america president chuck woolery, yes, that chuck woolery of game show lore, is here to explain why....
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the second thing is the uncertainty of the election which held back business investment. for quarter definitely will be weak but the next year i think 2.5 to 3% growth. >> thank you. dave: one of the smartest people in america, no doubt. thank you, good to see you. the clock is ticking away to major tax hikes for everybody. john boehner saying there is no progress to report. so what is going on inside the beltway? we will head there to try to find out. brian led that tells us how the new 60-40 portfolio should look. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. your soups are so awesomely delicious my husband and i can't stop eating 'em! what's...that... onyour head? can curlers! tomato basil, potato with bacon... we've got a lot of empty cans. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. . . . .. david: come january 1st, no matter which tax plan is put in place the federal government will still spend trillions of dollars each year. lauren: we talked taxes. now let's former cbo director says these cuts fail to control the greatest deficit challenge, federal health care spe
the second thing is the uncertainty of the election which held back business investment. for quarter definitely will be weak but the next year i think 2.5 to 3% growth. >> thank you. dave: one of the smartest people in america, no doubt. thank you, good to see you. the clock is ticking away to major tax hikes for everybody. john boehner saying there is no progress to report. so what is going on inside the beltway? we will head there to try to find out. brian led that tells us how the new...
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dan says, thii tax bite is why we should hold elections on april 15th. that is a great idea. it all comes together. i love hearing from you. send me an e-mail. gerri@foxbusiness.com. finally tonight, just when you thought of retiring massachusetts congressman -- congressman barney frank was stepping out of the limelight, no way. the boston globe reporting the 72-year-old democratic congressman who is set to retire in january hired th big shot hollywood agency william morris to represent him in the next phase of his career. william morris is run by r.e.m. manuel, the brother of chicago mayor and the inspiration for the character ari goldman the
dan says, thii tax bite is why we should hold elections on april 15th. that is a great idea. it all comes together. i love hearing from you. send me an e-mail. gerri@foxbusiness.com. finally tonight, just when you thought of retiring massachusetts congressman -- congressman barney frank was stepping out of the limelight, no way. the boston globe reporting the 72-year-old democratic congressman who is set to retire in january hired th big shot hollywood agency william morris to represent him in...
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the anticipation is they want to get re-elected. they understand the republicans now have detectors. again, the market is saying we with believe in you. don't screw this up. >> all right. you have to get ready for the next hour. >> huge show coming up. timothy geithner at the top of the hour. we're going to find out what's changed since the sunday shows he was doing interviews on. anton, ben, see you soon. i'll see you at the top of the hour. >> capital gains rates are probably going to go up. does that hurt the market as well? >> we've seen a lot of companies sell themselves. it's been a problem in the banking industry because loans have been paid off. they want to grow loans. people are taking control and repaying their loans. i think it's already been anticipated. >> you've had a hot hand trading this market lately. what are you doing, especially bearing in mind we have a jobs number on friday. >> i'm a little concerned on the adp numbers. this is generally the weakest of the year. that's probably baked in a little bit. i think w
the anticipation is they want to get re-elected. they understand the republicans now have detectors. again, the market is saying we with believe in you. don't screw this up. >> all right. you have to get ready for the next hour. >> huge show coming up. timothy geithner at the top of the hour. we're going to find out what's changed since the sunday shows he was doing interviews on. anton, ben, see you soon. i'll see you at the top of the hour. >> capital gains rates are...
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the election was just a month ago. the president has not yet been reinaugurated and rubio has already actually been to iowa where he acknowledged all the talk about him running and actually joked that he will not be a candidate for coach at iowa state, harris. >> okay. i'm glad he cleared that up. carl. i understand they got very serious and talked about the future of the republic party. >> they did. and that also refers to their own political future as white house candidate. rubio he spoke at lengths about the middle class. ryan mentioned those poverty. more than a dozen times. the g.o.p. has to expand big test and better at cuyahoga county law -- -- articulate. >> the election didn't go our way. we can't make excuses. we can't spend the next four years on the sidelines. instead, we must find new ways to apply our timeless principles to the challenges of the day. >> but it all starts with our people. in the kitchens of our hotels, in the landscaping crews that work in our neighborhoods, and the late night shift -- lat
the election was just a month ago. the president has not yet been reinaugurated and rubio has already actually been to iowa where he acknowledged all the talk about him running and actually joked that he will not be a candidate for coach at iowa state, harris. >> okay. i'm glad he cleared that up. carl. i understand they got very serious and talked about the future of the republic party. >> they did. and that also refers to their own political future as white house candidate. rubio...
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>>> the first jobs report comes out since the election. far from the east coast, one midwestern community has positive thoughts about their community. largely because of the landscape developing at an astonishing speed. >>> the pioneer spirit is burning brightly. much of it occurs in a few small neighborhoods. >> i can go local. >>> mike farmer is the ceo of leap 2. a company with a highly advanced mobile search app. >> people stop by the office every day. it's fascinating. >> that must feel pretty good. >> yeah, it does. >> one big reason these companies are clustering here is that google chose this neighborhood to launch its much anticipated super high speed internet connection. 100 times faster than most internet links, google fiber allows massive video data and graphic files to move at astonishing speed, permitting development of whole new applications. >> this is exactly what you wanted. >> that's exactly it. we wanted local entrepreneurs to take advantage of the faster speeds google fiber would bring, and develop. the skies the limit
>>> the first jobs report comes out since the election. far from the east coast, one midwestern community has positive thoughts about their community. largely because of the landscape developing at an astonishing speed. >>> the pioneer spirit is burning brightly. much of it occurs in a few small neighborhoods. >> i can go local. >>> mike farmer is the ceo of leap 2. a company with a highly advanced mobile search app. >> people stop by the office every day....
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it's the job the american people elected them to do and the american people expect results. they want compromise. in fact, two separate cnn/orc polls, in those polls, an overwhelming number of people, 72%, said both sides should do a better job working together in general. so the people, that's you, want compromise. yet this is how the men and women on capitol hill, the men and women you elected to work for you, have responded over the last 48 hours. >> i think we're going over the cliff. >> it's unfortunate that the white house has spent three weeks doing basically nothing. >> what we can't do is sit here trying to figure out what works for them. >> the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. >> it's pretty clear to me they've made a political calculation. >> if their ideas are different from ours, we can't guess what they are. >> we look forward to the time when they are specific. >> they need to be more specific. >> some specificity from republicans. >> some of their specifics. >> that's a decision that lies in the hands of the republicans. >> i
it's the job the american people elected them to do and the american people expect results. they want compromise. in fact, two separate cnn/orc polls, in those polls, an overwhelming number of people, 72%, said both sides should do a better job working together in general. so the people, that's you, want compromise. yet this is how the men and women on capitol hill, the men and women you elected to work for you, have responded over the last 48 hours. >> i think we're going over the cliff....
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and post election blues. that's the subject of this evening's talking points memo many believe the president has the upper hand in the fiscal cliff negotiations. if we gopher 00 cliff republicans think they will get most of the blame. if they give in to tax hikes conservatives believe they will infuriate their base. senator rand paul even believes that since they have such little leverage in the talks of president obama. well, republicans should just get out of the way and let the democrats raise taxes as much as they want. and then let the president take responsibility for party of high taxes. now can i understand senator paul's thinking especially given the fact that the president has already announced ahead of his mano a mano meeting can john boehner that he won't concede an inch on tax cuts. this republican defeatism news broke of jim demint's departure from the senate yesterday. is he a tea party warrior and demint is a hero to part of the g.o.p.'s 2010 midterm route. now he is off to head off a think ta
and post election blues. that's the subject of this evening's talking points memo many believe the president has the upper hand in the fiscal cliff negotiations. if we gopher 00 cliff republicans think they will get most of the blame. if they give in to tax hikes conservatives believe they will infuriate their base. senator rand paul even believes that since they have such little leverage in the talks of president obama. well, republicans should just get out of the way and let the democrats...
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he is hereto elected nor has he ever run for office so why is washington so scared of him? >> it's also politically smart to cut the knees out from under grover norquist. this guy, who is he? >> one dangerous man, cut the knees out from under him? because he gave candidates an opportunity to sign a tax pledge. they signed it. >> two quick points. number one, a person who stands in the way of a victory by the left is a dangerous man by definition. number two, i love cokie roberts saying he's an unelected lobbyist. what is she? she is doing the exact same thing he is doing but she's doing from her perch at abc news. how dare she's pom puts, arrogant couragists say these people are unelected people. folks, so are you. >> good point. all right. let's go to pbs, paul crugman. he has the power grab to take away the constitutional authority from congress. they have the the ability to spend money. he wants to give the president a blank check. watch this. >> the president has also proposed something that john boehner calls silliness, or geithner did, which is taking the idea of debt
he is hereto elected nor has he ever run for office so why is washington so scared of him? >> it's also politically smart to cut the knees out from under grover norquist. this guy, who is he? >> one dangerous man, cut the knees out from under him? because he gave candidates an opportunity to sign a tax pledge. they signed it. >> two quick points. number one, a person who stands in the way of a victory by the left is a dangerous man by definition. number two, i love cokie...
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one man elected to nothing. the fact that saxby chambliss comes up, i don't have to live up to some pledge i made 20 years ago and calls up and has grover on the phone going through the transcript of what he said and he's apologizing for each segment as it. what's going on? a senator has to kiss butt to this guy? >> i have known grover for a long time and i like him and he representing -- >> you're afraid of him too. >> i'm not afraid of him. he represents a cause and he's been amazingly successful because taxes have gone down for a long time because of grover. what do we nou because taxes are automatically going up. republicans understand if you have to cut a deal, you have to cut a deal eventually. i think it's easier to cut a deal after the taxes automatically go up then you're fighting for tax cuts, not tax increases, but we'll see. and the fact of the mat ser that grover is just a vessel for a bigger issue. taxes used to be -- >> he seems to be calling the shots. >> he's not calling the shots. >> last week
one man elected to nothing. the fact that saxby chambliss comes up, i don't have to live up to some pledge i made 20 years ago and calls up and has grover on the phone going through the transcript of what he said and he's apologizing for each segment as it. what's going on? a senator has to kiss butt to this guy? >> i have known grover for a long time and i like him and he representing -- >> you're afraid of him too. >> i'm not afraid of him. he represents a cause and he's...
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engage in policies that damage everyone's wellbeing over the long term looking out for their own re-election prospects. >> wait, wait. >> they're really political rather than looking out for the long-term interests of the citizens, their states and also the country as a whole. >> last i checked -- >> beforehand rather than subsidize development and dangerous areas and that's moral hazard and that's something that's bringing the country to the knees economically. >> last i checked you look out for yourself. >> that's public servants are supposed to do, roland. >> no. in new york, you are concerned about new york and not california. you focus on where you are. that's the reality. >> all right. we are going to hit pause there. please let us know what you think about that conversation on twitter and facebook page. >>> next, when's a bigger insult? being called, you know, lame duck congress or new york jet? ts to test the 2.0-liter turbo engine. [ engine revs ] ♪ [ derek ] 272 horsepower. the lightest in its class. the cadillac ats outmatches the bmw 3 series. i cannot believe i have ended the
engage in policies that damage everyone's wellbeing over the long term looking out for their own re-election prospects. >> wait, wait. >> they're really political rather than looking out for the long-term interests of the citizens, their states and also the country as a whole. >> last i checked -- >> beforehand rather than subsidize development and dangerous areas and that's moral hazard and that's something that's bringing the country to the knees economically. >>...
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after the election, which his party lost, he's now offering post-election this much new revenue. so his offer since losing the election got worse. that new offer came in a new outline of proposals that the republicans sent to the president in a letter yesterday. it's a plan that they describe in their letter as "a fair middle ground." here's what they consider a fair middle ground. we did this in chart form today. because it turns out it's really simple. and looking at it this way makes it simple. here's what they are offering. on the side of what the republic republicans get, the republicans get the tax rates they want, the medicare cuts they want, the trillion dollars in spending cuts president obama agreed to, hundreds of billions in additional cuts, ending the payroll tax break, ending jobless benefits and they get the opportunity to create a new debt ceiling crisis in a few months. that's on the republican side, what the republicans get in their proposal. what do the democrats get in their proposal? they get this. a promise to end undefined tax deductions and loopholes of so
after the election, which his party lost, he's now offering post-election this much new revenue. so his offer since losing the election got worse. that new offer came in a new outline of proposals that the republicans sent to the president in a letter yesterday. it's a plan that they describe in their letter as "a fair middle ground." here's what they consider a fair middle ground. we did this in chart form today. because it turns out it's really simple. and looking at it this way...
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they're going to help determine future elections. i think paul ryan and marco rubio, they're trying to rebrand themselves and recast the republican party as a party of diversity and perhaps big ideas and a larger goal post. but i want to say this because i have to say this as vice chair of the party. as you know, the democratic party has a large and broad and deep base including vice president biden, who's done a terrific job in his capacity as the second in command, but also, we have governors. a lot of diversity. duval patrick and we can all look as governor cuomo, you have elizabeth warren that might be considered presidential. so i don't want to throw all our eggs in one basket because there are so many wonderful people. martin o'malley, for example, the governor of colorado. like the republicans, this will be a large field of candidates, but there's fo question if secretary of state hillary clinton decided to throw her gloves into the race, game on. >> she got a lot of competition. >> david frum, you think the republican party's
they're going to help determine future elections. i think paul ryan and marco rubio, they're trying to rebrand themselves and recast the republican party as a party of diversity and perhaps big ideas and a larger goal post. but i want to say this because i have to say this as vice chair of the party. as you know, the democratic party has a large and broad and deep base including vice president biden, who's done a terrific job in his capacity as the second in command, but also, we have...
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so we elected to stay. but the wind came and blew the door jambb open and then the flood water came in. it came up as high as the fourth steep to our second floor. so much, i had three sets of china from my mother-in-law and my mom and llardo and waterford and so many procious things that are gone, gone . never to be able to have again and it is it devastating to my family, to all of us. even extended family members that have been, they just don't know what to do to help us. they don't know what to do. >> you experienced so much loss and it is it only five weeks. thankful you are here. we'll have another segment and talk to john as well he did not just lose his home, he lost his restaurant, too. we'll hear his story when we come back. g it done. you know how to dance... with a deadline. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. this is awesome. [ male announcer ] yes, it is, bu
so we elected to stay. but the wind came and blew the door jambb open and then the flood water came in. it came up as high as the fourth steep to our second floor. so much, i had three sets of china from my mother-in-law and my mom and llardo and waterford and so many procious things that are gone, gone . never to be able to have again and it is it devastating to my family, to all of us. even extended family members that have been, they just don't know what to do to help us. they don't know...
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both by the experience with the debt ceiling and with the election. i think if they want to stand their ground, i think they can actually do it. i think that that is, in fact, possible. can they? you know, we'll see. they seem a lot tougher now than they were last time around. don't you think? >> they sound very tough now. chrystia freeland of thomson, and author of "the plutocrats." >>> i promised you, red lobster, olive garden, timely for both, and i will deliver. that is ahead. [ male announcer ] take dayquil... [ ding! ] ...and spend time on the slopes. take alka-seltzer plus cold & cough... [ buzz! ] ...and spend time on the chair. for non-drowsy 6-symptom cold & flu relief. take dayquil. use nyquil d... [ ding! ] ...and get longer nighttime cough relief. use alka-seltzer plus night cold & flu... [ coughs ] [ buzz! ] [ screams ] ...and you could find yourself... honey? ...on the couch. nyquil d. 50% longer cough and stuffy nose relief. yep. the longer you stay with us, the more you save. and when you switch from another company to us, we even rew
both by the experience with the debt ceiling and with the election. i think if they want to stand their ground, i think they can actually do it. i think that that is, in fact, possible. can they? you know, we'll see. they seem a lot tougher now than they were last time around. don't you think? >> they sound very tough now. chrystia freeland of thomson, and author of "the plutocrats." >>> i promised you, red lobster, olive garden, timely for both, and i will deliver....
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it's not just after this election. it goes back a good number of years, and it's not about some ideological i'm more conservative than you. it really is trying to figure out and marshall together those core principles that involve around the economic realities that this country has to face. >> what's the fight about? >> the fight is about who gets to articulate it, who gets to decide and make -- >> just personnel? >> it's not so much personnel as it is personality. >> wait a minute. let's step back. way tonight bring in joy. looking at it from across the aisle, i know you're more progressive to put it lightly. here is the story. you have demint out there running a candidate against mitch mcconnell to his right, almost beating him last time around, trying to move the party to the right. selecting knds like sharon angel and some of the whackery ones like christine o'donnell. all around the country always trying to get several notches to the right of what we have. bob bennett, not right wing enough, john mccain not right
it's not just after this election. it goes back a good number of years, and it's not about some ideological i'm more conservative than you. it really is trying to figure out and marshall together those core principles that involve around the economic realities that this country has to face. >> what's the fight about? >> the fight is about who gets to articulate it, who gets to decide and make -- >> just personnel? >> it's not so much personnel as it is personality....
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won their election to stop him. the house also won, lanny. >> 535 congressional districts, most of which have little opposition, exain capture be cao voting for president. >> they did not vote to give him a rubber stamp. >> to go back to your question, 98% tax cut. by the way, john kennedy cut taxes to bracket about twice where we are today, so it's really apples and oranges, but ronald reagan is responsible for the greatest tax increase in american history, and joined with tip o'neill in raising taxes on social security in order to make it solvent. let's not talk about ronald reagan as being anti-taxes. >> your facts are off. patrick j. buchanan was in that white house. the the rates went from 70 to 28% during his presidency, true or false, sir. >> true. it went from 70 and then it went down to 50 and then it went to 28%. i was there on the plane when we got word that we had a deal to cut to 28% and i said take it. let me add one point, sean. i was looking over my editorials from 1962 just yesterday, and i have end
won their election to stop him. the house also won, lanny. >> 535 congressional districts, most of which have little opposition, exain capture be cao voting for president. >> they did not vote to give him a rubber stamp. >> to go back to your question, 98% tax cut. by the way, john kennedy cut taxes to bracket about twice where we are today, so it's really apples and oranges, but ronald reagan is responsible for the greatest tax increase in american history, and joined with...
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stole the election for president obama. the good news is that is a drop of 3 percentage points since 2008, when 52% of republicans thought that a.c.o.r.n. stole the election for president obama. the bad news is that a.c.o.r.n. no longer exists, and so the 49% of republicans who still believe that a.c.o.r.n. stole this election for president obama are even more delusional than they were four years ago when the group thought they stole the election at least existed. some republicans are so bummed by the re-election of president obama that they don't want to live in america anymore.ç they also don't want to move. so 25% say they would like their state to secede from the union. only 56% of republicans want to remain americans. and 19% of republicans are still so dazed and confused they haven't been able to decide if they want to secede from the union. other republicans are making the saner choice of seceding from the party. in public policy polling's final poll before the election, they found that 37% of voters identified the
stole the election for president obama. the good news is that is a drop of 3 percentage points since 2008, when 52% of republicans thought that a.c.o.r.n. stole the election for president obama. the bad news is that a.c.o.r.n. no longer exists, and so the 49% of republicans who still believe that a.c.o.r.n. stole this election for president obama are even more delusional than they were four years ago when the group thought they stole the election at least existed. some republicans are so bummed...
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senator corker, given that president obama won the election, and seems to have most of the political leverage, what is the realistic deal to be made in the next 23 days? >> first of all, i think something will happen. i hope it is large enough for people like me that want to see entitlement reform to vote for. the president has leverage and the republicans have leverage with the debt ceiling and the c.r. which ends in march and hopefully cooler heads will prevail. there are different theories coming forth on how to deal with this and again, chris, it is a unique moment in history, where every developed country in the world, economists on both sides of the aisle, know the greatest threat to our country is fiscal solvency and we have a situation where the minority party is trying to leverage the president into doing something that is great for our nation and it is a very unique time and i hope the president soon will see the light. >> chris: senator schumer, three weeks left. what is the compromise and,his is the important part, that both sides can live with, on taxes, spending cuts, a
senator corker, given that president obama won the election, and seems to have most of the political leverage, what is the realistic deal to be made in the next 23 days? >> first of all, i think something will happen. i hope it is large enough for people like me that want to see entitlement reform to vote for. the president has leverage and the republicans have leverage with the debt ceiling and the c.r. which ends in march and hopefully cooler heads will prevail. there are different...
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enter florida congressman alan west who lost his bid for re-election. what does he think about republicans negotiating for president obama on the fiscal cliff? like a lot of other things for alan west, it all comes down to socialism. here is what he told radio host mark levin. >> i think this whole thing about having negotiations with president obama is silly. president obama is marxist, socialist, rigid ideologue, and for whatever reason he believes he has some self-conceived mandate to go out and further destroy and ruin our economy. >> so if you have any lingering nostalgia for the clown show, that should kill it. west still thinks, by the way, his opponent patrick murphy somehow cheated in order to win the race. >> the most important thing everyone has to understand is that my voice is not going to be lost. we will -- we've gotten a lot of opportunities, a lot of offers, and we're going to make sure that we continue to have that platform. i'm not going away just because of a congressional race where he had to to cheat to beet me. >> west campaign's
enter florida congressman alan west who lost his bid for re-election. what does he think about republicans negotiating for president obama on the fiscal cliff? like a lot of other things for alan west, it all comes down to socialism. here is what he told radio host mark levin. >> i think this whole thing about having negotiations with president obama is silly. president obama is marxist, socialist, rigid ideologue, and for whatever reason he believes he has some self-conceived mandate to...
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in safe seats so the crucial election is not the general election, it's the primary election, and as we know in primaries, there's low participation which gives a hugely disproportionate power to the rigid extremes on both sides. that makes it very difficult. second is the overwhelming amount of money, of all of the judicial mistakes that have been made in history by supreme courts, few in my judgment will history record as being more unwise and wrong than the supreme court decision in the citizens united case, which took a situation already reeking with too much money and just poured tons of it, more into it. so for members now, it's just a mad money chase all the time, which i think is demeaning to everybody and very, very unfortunate. so it's a combination of factors. many others, but those are some of them. >> so look, you've helped negotiate peace in northern ireland. you worked on peace in the middle east. how does the problem here get fixed? >> well, i think in the end, in democracies it's fixed only by the people. the word democracy is a combination of two greek words, demos,
in safe seats so the crucial election is not the general election, it's the primary election, and as we know in primaries, there's low participation which gives a hugely disproportionate power to the rigid extremes on both sides. that makes it very difficult. second is the overwhelming amount of money, of all of the judicial mistakes that have been made in history by supreme courts, few in my judgment will history record as being more unwise and wrong than the supreme court decision in the...
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stole the election. that's why obama won. half the republicans say democrats are engaged in voter fraud. ron, i'm far more fascinated by the fact that all these republicans believe that a.c.o.r.n. -- how can you put your signature to that? how can somebody say to that openly on the telephone, well, i think a.c.o.r.n. did it? >> because they hear it on fox news. that's why. fox news beats the drum about this kind of stuff and that's all these people listen to. they live in this bubble. >> i think they misheard it and they thought a unicorn stole the election. >> i mean a.c.o.r.n. they don't have a nickel to rub against another nickel and they're running the country. thai dana and ron. i think we caught the spirit of this nonsense. up next, one of the most popular guests we've ever had on "hardball" barney frank joins us as we prepared to leaves the country. barney has been around a long time. i thought efforts the new guy. this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] shift the balance of power decisiv
stole the election. that's why obama won. half the republicans say democrats are engaged in voter fraud. ron, i'm far more fascinated by the fact that all these republicans believe that a.c.o.r.n. -- how can you put your signature to that? how can somebody say to that openly on the telephone, well, i think a.c.o.r.n. did it? >> because they hear it on fox news. that's why. fox news beats the drum about this kind of stuff and that's all these people listen to. they live in this bubble....
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he knows what happens in mid-term elections. what he's saying is give me what i want now and i'll talk about it later but i'll talk about it at a time when it is next to impossible politically for either party to do anything that doesn't absolutely throw their respective bases. megyn: you had a power play piece yesterday that was all about how the president in your view is intent here not so much on winning these negotiations if they are winnable, but on embarrassing the republicans, bringing them down to their knees. can you explain that? >> he doesn't just want the taxes to go up on top earners. what he wants to do is shatter his political opposition so he can win larger victories later so he can suffer fewer defeats in the mid-term election. he sees this as the moment when he has maximal manage having just been reelected. he figures he can break their will and he can be in a stronger position after that. but as you mentioned before, if he misses or even if he succeeds what you see happening the economy right now and what you
he knows what happens in mid-term elections. what he's saying is give me what i want now and i'll talk about it later but i'll talk about it at a time when it is next to impossible politically for either party to do anything that doesn't absolutely throw their respective bases. megyn: you had a power play piece yesterday that was all about how the president in your view is intent here not so much on winning these negotiations if they are winnable, but on embarrassing the republicans, bringing...
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elections have consequences. at that right now. lou: i think we all agree about conseqnces. certainly. your thoughts on this? does it look to you right now like we are going to avoid this fiscal cliff? the president, but the brilliant idea? it's interesting how he does this. he initiates an ultmatum and the goes passive aggressive on everyone and withdraws from the field. it's really a bizarre and intriguing strategy which obviously has completely confounded republican leaders. >> yes, and the polls show that the american people are prud and -- probably going to blend republicans now matter what happen. lou: slightly. >> therefore i think that is what you're seeing with president obama'sttitude here. lou: does irritate you to think that they are going to blame the republicans denied republicans are basical saying, you know, we are going to step back because you're going to blame us instead of coming up with a answer, a rejoinder to the president's going after them. and they don't have a strategy. they don't have a message. they don't want anybody to think bay of them. >> he
elections have consequences. at that right now. lou: i think we all agree about conseqnces. certainly. your thoughts on this? does it look to you right now like we are going to avoid this fiscal cliff? the president, but the brilliant idea? it's interesting how he does this. he initiates an ultmatum and the goes passive aggressive on everyone and withdraws from the field. it's really a bizarre and intriguing strategy which obviously has completely confounded republican leaders. >> yes,...
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he has the authority of an election behind him. running for office is a difficult thing to do, and the people that win the elections have a lot more moral authority in a democracy than people who talk about elections. >> ryan, that does seem to be the point. republicans may not like it, but that wasn't what this election said american people want. the majority of them. >> i think it's certainly true you have a large number of americans, 60%, according to a "washington post" abc news poll who favor raising taxes on folks earning more than $250,000 a year. but there are a couple other things to keep in mind, as well. president obama often talks about returning to clinton era tax rates. he wants to raise much more revenue from high earners than the clinton era tax code would have raised. and president clinton also dramatically lowered capital gains taxes, and that generally benefited high-earners. so a lot of folks believe that's something that balanced out against the increases on ordinary income. so, you know, that's something that
he has the authority of an election behind him. running for office is a difficult thing to do, and the people that win the elections have a lot more moral authority in a democracy than people who talk about elections. >> ryan, that does seem to be the point. republicans may not like it, but that wasn't what this election said american people want. the majority of them. >> i think it's certainly true you have a large number of americans, 60%, according to a "washington...